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		<title>Do I Resemble Your Wife?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, first things first.1 One true answer to the titleâ€™s question is: not entirely. Phew. Dodged one there, didnâ€™t you? Not so fast, though. The answer may well be â€œSomewhat,â€ in which case it behooves you to read on to see how. Alright, Iâ€™ll admit it. Itâ€™ll behoove me if you read on. You see, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, first things first.<sup>1</sup> One true answer to the titleâ€™s question is: not entirely. Phew. Dodged one there, didnâ€™t you? Not so fast, though. The answer may well be â€œSomewhat,â€ in which case it behooves you to read on to see how.</p>
<p>Alright, Iâ€™ll admit it. Itâ€™ll behoove me if you read on. You see, I might have gotten myself into a bit of hot water, although with some thought and an even keel, this water may turn out resemble more the palliative springs of many a television boom town than the terrifying pit at the end of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. The sitch is that I am giving a talk on Friday. My first talk professional talk post-grad school. And Iâ€™m nervous. Iâ€™m nervous for the usual reasons. These include the fear that Iâ€™ll make <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVgT__TZNdQ">a fool of myself in the Q&amp;A</a>, and that my central argument is just not that good. But there is an additional, more idiosyncratic reason that I really want to think hard about before delivering the talk. And thatâ€™s the distinct possibility that while my central argument is fine, I have used a poorly chosen example to add support to my conclusion. This would leave me dialectically naked, even if my underlying argument remains cogent. So I want to try to extract myself for this situation as carefully as possible, and this is my test run.</p>
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<p>Hereâ€™s the deal. I have just argued that since we democratic citizens act politically to enforce coercive laws on each other, we should show concern for one anotherâ€™s autonomy, so that all can accept these laws willingly and competently. So what we have here is an example of one feature of modern political life that generates a duty to be concerned with our fellow citizensâ€™ educated autonomy. This is not yet an argument in favor of any particular institutional scheme, much less an argument to the effect that every unchosen departure from full autonomy underwrites a claim to further autonomy-enhancing resources. But it does suggest that there are duties we have toward others that are separable from facts about what they have done for us, or how much they have contributed to GDP, say.</p>
<p>I then ask whether there are features of modern political life that could generate further duties of concern, especially those that would bear on the justness of health care policy. Hereâ€™s where I seem to get myself into trouble:</p>
<blockquote><p>If the fact of joint-coercion generates a duty of concern for fellow citizensâ€™ autonomy, then arguably the facts of mutual loyalty and dependence generate further duties of concern. But concern for what? It is, I suggest, a concern for them, for their general wellbeing. Anything less, such as a concern fairly to grant them the share of socially generated resources that has been calibrated to reflect the marginal value of their role in the economic division of labor, involves too much alienation from them as persons, individuals on whom we rely to sustain the social basic structure which in turn sustains our quality of life. Consider an analogy. If husband Jackâ€™s mother is a delight and wife Jillâ€™s mother is a nightmare, Jack would be wrong to say he is not obliged to accompany and support Jill on stressful outings with her mother on the ground that Jill has never had to make a comparable sacrifice for Jack. Rather, the nature of the relationship they share generates a wider, less discriminating duty of concern for Jill herself, concern whose proper expression is inconsistent with Jackâ€™s refusal. Analogously, the especially acute and pervasive relations of mutual dependence and vulnerability that attend the citizen relation warrant concern for our fellow citizens themselvesâ€¦</p></blockquote>
<p>In the comments heâ€™s sent me, my commentator already notes the obvious: surely Jack should be concerned for Jill because he is her husband, because he loves her, <em>because thatâ€™s what husbands do</em>. And of course I agree with this. But I donâ€™t think the success of the analogy depends on the citizen-relation being intrinsically one of mutual love.</p>
<p>While Jack should do certain things for Jill because he loves her, this is not the only reason he has. It seems to me that he has special responsibilities to her that stem from the intimate intertwining of their lives, not simply from the intersection of their affection. As I say in the quote: both the citizen relation and the husband/wife relation give rise to acute and pervasive forms of mutual dependence and vulnerability. These are what I wish to stress, not love.</p>
<p>I think it is safe to say that the analogy is going to draw a lot of criticism from the crowd. But why should it? Since at least Aristotle is has been common in political theory to illuminate the demands of â€œcivic friendshipâ€ through reflection on what close, personal friends owe to each other. This of course does not justify the strategy, but it should be some help in deflecting the knee-jerk reaction I expect to the Jack/Jill case.</p>
<p>In fact, there is at least one feature of the spousal relationship that is present in the civic relationship, but not amongst friends. And that is the involvement of the state. That spouses have responsibilities to each other that are not grounded in love seems to be the guiding principle behind many a divorce law. Soon-to-be former spouses seek an equitable parting of ways, and the state steps in to ensure this happens. True, divorcing partners often do not have the forms of concern for each other that we may think warranted by their joint history and the tough predicament each (or maybe just one) finds him- or herself in. But this may just be a case of relying on the state to help enforce moral duties that each party in fact has, but may be unlikely (for obvious reasons) to discharge in its absence. (Did you know that social security benefits are paid out to ex-spouses as long as the marriage lasted ten years?)</p>
<p>There are three features of the citizen relationship that I emphasize in my paper. These are (1) the coercive imposition of laws, (2) our profound dependence on the cooperation and compliance of those others on whom we help to impose laws, and (3) the cloud of vulnerability we operate under when virtually every facet of our lives is left open to influence by the legitimate political actions of others. While the first, I believe, generates strong duties of concern, it is not present in the spousal relationship. But the last two are. What, precisely, do they contribute to the moral story I want to tell?</p>
<p>It seems right to say that the primary initial inducement to enter into or accept both an intimate relationship and a political relationship is self-interest, prudence. I of course donâ€™t mean pathological self-interest, which yields a disregard for the interests of others. I mean perfectly legitimate concern with the betterment of oneâ€™s life. Now, in the case of intimate relationships, this initial self-interest or self-love is a gateway drug: it leads us to a different form of valuing, valuing or loving another for his or her own sake. Our relationship with them is not (only) a means to some independent end, but something worth valuing in its own right. And we come to see their good as part of our own and as something that helps give our lives meaning.</p>
<p>Even if this last feature is not present in the civic context (many think it is, but I want to stay agnostic), the initially prudentially motivated joining with others should be attended by a recognition of them as having legitimate interests of their own, and of possessing a dignity that places constraints on what forms of treatment are permissible. One way of respecting that dignity is to be responsive to how that other personâ€™s life is influenced by oneâ€™s own choices, actions, and omissions. The more profound the effect of these influence on anotherâ€™s life, the more, it seems, we should be concerned about the person influenced.</p>
<p>In the spousal case, while the aim ultimately becomes one of a shared life well lived, it is still a relationship comprised of distinct individuals with distinct personalities, aspirations, foibles, and, yes, sometimes downright pathologies. Each person is not only a contributor of the benefits realized by the union, but also of the inevitable hurdles and injuries that arise when distinct persons pin their hopes and dreams on the choices and good faith of one another. I think most of us know how challenging such an arrangement can be, even when things are going as well as could reasonably be hoped.</p>
<p>Likewise in the civic context. Even when prevailing laws track the demands of social justice reasonably well, there will still be conscientious disagreement both about whether this is the case and about further policy decisions that donâ€™t seem wholly resolvable by a priori moral reasoning. Monetary policy, fiscal policy, trade agreements, etc., all appear to require a willingness to make second- and third-best tradeoffs, often in ignorance of likely outcomes. This creates inevitable risks and strains of commitment.</p>
<p>In both contexts, we join in a profoundly fateful project with others on whose willing cooperation we are heavily dependent and whose lives we profoundly shape. Even if they too are benefiting greatly from the arrangement, it seems wrong not to specially acknowledge the self-discipline and good will it often takes to be fully entrenched participants in both marital and political life.</p>
<p>Although I am in disagreement with him on many things, moral and political philosopher David Schmitdtz seems to take a similar view, and puts the point poignantly:</p>
<blockquote><p>I do not believe that reciprocity and gratitude are called for only in response to people who are going above and beyond the call of duty. Because reciprocity and gratitude are forms of mutual affirmation, it makes perfect sense to feel grateful to people simply for doing their dutyâ€¦Normal competence is an achievement, not an effortless default. (<em>Elements of Justice</em>, pp. 87-88)</p></blockquote>
<p>How, then, ought we to show our gratitude? One way, I suggest, is by not conditioning provision of benefits to relevant others solely on (the prospect of) their having provided something of similar value to us. As I indicate in my paper, keeping a moral ledger of this sort seems to me alienating, divorcing the person with whom I am related from the things I can get from the relationship. Of course the things I can get matter, but so do the people I cross paths with to get them. And showing others that they matter to me seems to me to require my showing concern for how their life goes, independently from whether the moral tally sheet is sufficiently even at the end of the day. Such concern, I hypothesize, is properly displayed when I stand willing to make certain sacrifices for their wellbeing, and doing what I can to support universal health care seems as good a place to start as any.</p>
<p>Obviously I donâ€™t have a knockdown argument in favor of my thesis that there are facets that are shared by both spousal relationships and civic relationships and that underwrite strong duties of mutual concern among those standing in these relationships. But I think I have done enough to help me get through Fridayâ€™s talk. Thanks to anyone who made it this farâ€”even if you never even accounts by leaving a helpful or encouraging comment!</p>
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<p>1. Is it â€œfirst thingâ€™s first,â€ or â€œfirst things firstâ€?</p>
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		<title>Civility and political discourse, again</title>
		<link>http://www.explananda.com/2007/04/12/civility-and-political-discourse-again/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I alluded to this issue at the tail end of another post the other day, but it&#8217;s still rattling around in my head, so perhaps writing about it again will properly dislodge it: I occasionally get a bit ticked off when I see complaining about the lack of civility on blogs. Now, there are a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I alluded to this issue at the tail end of another post the other day, but it&#8217;s still rattling around in my head, so perhaps writing about it again will properly dislodge it: I occasionally get a bit ticked off when I see complaining about the lack of civility on blogs.  Now, there <i>are</i> a lot of blogs that seems to me out of line &#8211; enough so that they discredit themselves with me and I just don&#8217;t bother to go back.  And I can also see plenty of good reasons to try to keep political debate civil.  People who are arguing in good faith are unlikely to be persuaded by a rude interlocutor.  People are complex too: people with obnoxious political views often have other valuable and morally worthy qualities, and there are certain forms of incivility that write off people as a whole, inappropriately.  Honest people have honest disagreements about political issues, and that&#8217;s compatible with mutual respect.  And so on.  </p>
<p>But, but, but.  When I see journalists whining about the nasty, nasty bloggers, I often feel that they&#8217;re putting a whole lot of emphasis on form at the expense of substance.  This is what I was getting at the other day when I pointed out that Krauthammer might not use bad words in his columns but the content is downright <i>nasty</i>.  I suppose at this point I might try to co-opt the civility talk and point out that, for example, proposing to continue the occupation of a country against the wishes of the occupied is itself a bit rude, but it&#8217;s so many other worse things besides that that even seeing things put this way should jar us out of a too narrow focus on civility.  Krauthammer regularly (and influentially) proposes courses of action that are criminal and murderous; bloggers curse about his columns.  How about some perspective about the respective norms being violated here?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth recalling that although politics often looks and feels like a game to the people who are engaged in it and comment on it, at the end of the day it really isn&#8217;t.  When we engage in political debate about health care in the U.S., we are literally trying to figure out whether people will <i>die</i> for preventable reasons.  When we engage in political debate about the Iraq War, we are talking about the fates of millions of people.  At some level everyone knows this, but a certain Broderesque fastidiousness about the norms of civility in political discourse often seems to go along with the tendency to think of it as a game which one plays in columns and television chat shows.  </p>
<p>So the stakes are high, and people on opposite sides of many political debates have very good reasons to be upset with one another.  But it&#8217;s important to add to this that many of the disputants in the op-ed wars are lazy, stupid and dishonest.  They really are.  David Brooks is just fucking stupid.  Charles Krauthammer and I don&#8217;t have an honest disagreement about the Middle East.  He&#8217;s a liar who peddles bad arguments for a living, in defense of policies which get innocent people killed.  At a certain point, with a certain sort of interlocuter, you have to give up and admit that you think they&#8217;re arguing in bad faith for morally reprehensible ends.  And I wonder sometimes if the Broderesque calls for civility from journalists and professional pundits is really a plea to stop treating them with the disrespect they so richly deserve.  A large part of the point of civility is to make reasonable political discourse possible, but  with pundits of this sort (and some high profile bloggers) there&#8217;s no hope for reasonable political discourse anyway, and the only thing left to do is expose them to as much public ridicule as possible.</p>
<p>I admit this is all a bit vague and not terribly well-thought through.  A better post would have tried to say more about different kinds of civility and incivility, since I&#8217;m probably running together different forms that could be usefully distinguished.  And since I start off admitting that certain forms of incivility bother me, I really ought to say a bit more about how I distinguish between acceptable and unacceptable form of incivility.  Finally, I suspect some of what I&#8217;ve written may conflict with my admission above that people with obnoxious political views can have other morally admirable qualities.  I&#8217;m not sure, so anyone who has an opinion about this is invited to make it known in the comments.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2004 22:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have Paul Craddick&#8217;s view of the value of civility in political discourse . . . until I lose my temper.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have Paul Craddick&#8217;s <a href="http://paulcraddick.typepad.com/fragmenta_philosophica/2004/07/civility.html">view of the value of civility in political discourse</a> . . . until I lose my temper.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2004 03:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In case you missed it, Norm Geras is having it out with with this fellow. A tempest in a blogospheric teapot, to be sure, but it&#8217;ll do as a peg to hang a few thoughts on. As far as the substance of the debate goes, I think for me that it&#8217;s a bit of this [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case you missed it, Norm Geras is <a href="http://normblog.typepad.com/normblog/2004/03/the_quality_of_.html" target="_blank">having it out with</a> with <a href="http://www.leninology.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">this fellow</a>.  A tempest in a blogospheric teapot, to be sure, but it&#8217;ll do as a peg to hang a few thoughts on.</p>
<p>As far as the substance of the debate goes, I think for me that it&#8217;s a bit of this and a bit of that.  But what I do feel fairly strongly about is that Norm Geras is <i>not</i> an &#8220;Apostate, Mad Dog who must be shot&#8221;.  No, to put it mildly, I do not think that Norm deserves to be shot.</p>
<p>Here are a few considerations that ought to weigh on us when we&#8217;re deciding on what degree of civility to take up with a political adversary. </p>
<p>Let me dub the first the <a href="http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type" target="_blank">Brad DeLong Doctrine of Civility</a>.  This doctrine basically licenses the following retort to your adversaries: &#8220;If you don&#8217;t want to be called a liar, then don&#8217;t lie.  Similarly, if you don&#8217;t want to be called an idiot, then don&#8217;t be one.&#8221;  The justification for the Brad Delong Doctrine of Civility is fairly straightforward.  Political discourse can be debased in many ways, but one of the most insidious is the distortion we introduce when we fail &#8211; repeatedly &#8211; to call a spade a spade on matters of the highest importance.  A norm which prohibits strong language in response to outright lies and evasions isn&#8217;t a healthy one.  It isn&#8217;t one we can afford any longer.  So let&#8217;s call it like it is.  DeLong&#8217;s series on the media is a superb example of someone telling it like it is, and doing everyone a world of good in the process.</p>
<p>[UPDATE: See below]</p>
<p>The second consideration is that we ought to try to maximize our opportunities for rational debate.  That possibility recedes as our insults get rougher.  But I think it&#8217;s obvious that Norm is capable of rational debate, even if *cough* he hasn&#8217;t yet responded to <a href="http://www.seewhy.blogspot.com/2004_02_15_seewhy_archive.html#107730732327847120" target="_blank">my invitation</a> to debate the questions which really interest me. </p>
<p>Third, we ought to think in general about how strong emotions work in our political and moral judgments.  As far as I can tell, the Buddhists think that we should try and shed ourselves of strong emotions.  Myself, I&#8217;m with Aristotle on this one: Sometimes anger or indignation, in the right amount, at the right time, in the appropriate circumstances, is the right thing to feel.  Anger or indignation are indispensable tools of moral reflection: they help us pick out things which are morally salient, and which might otherwise have escaped our notice.  But they also distort and mislead.  I&#8217;ve been blinded by indignation as often as I&#8217;ve been enlightened by it.  When you&#8217;re tempted to use strong language with an adversary, you ought to think about whether the language you&#8217;re using is connected with the good or the bad kind of indignation.  When you&#8217;re tempted to call &#8211; even in jest &#8211; for Norm Geras to be shot, chances are it&#8217;s the bad kind.</p>
<p>Finally, we ought to cut people slack depending on why we think they&#8217;ve arrived at the positions they have.  Norm Geras may be mistaken about the war, but he didn&#8217;t support it for the same reasons Donald Rumsfeld did.  He supported it for reasons that we ought to acknowledge too, even if we thought they were outweighed by other, stronger considerations.  In fact, I&#8217;ve learned quite a bit from Norm&#8217;s blog.  It irritates me sometimes, but it also gets me thinking about things in new ways.  And that&#8217;s more than I can say for a lot of lefty blogs.</p>
<p>Let me finish by noting something Norm says:<br />
<blockquote>Cue whoever it is that blogs at Lenin&#8217;s Tomb and calls himself, sometimes, Nikolai and, other times, Lenin. Supposedly responding to this post of mine, Nik &#8211; which is how I shall refer to him just to be friendly, since he has kindly allowed himself elsewhere to speak of me as &#8216;Norm&#8217;, and why would I ever rebuff an overture like that?</p></blockquote>
<p>Whoops!  As far as first names go, I notice that I have an inconsistent policy here at <i>See Why?</i>  I usually use full names or last names, but occasionally I slip into the habit of using first names.  I think I read somewhere once that bloggers do that all the time.  Anyway, I almost always use Norm Geras&#8217; first name.  So: Pardon me, Mr. Geras, for being so forward.  But your blog (ahem, &#8220;Normblog&#8221;) is simply stuffed to the brim with Norm-this and Norm-that.  That may explain why complete strangers are using your first name.  No offense intended.</p>
<p>UPDATE: And click <a href="http://www.thepoorman.net/archives/002401.html" target="_blank">here</a> for a very funny response to some recent Republican whining about incivility.</p>
<p>UPDATE: Oh crap.  Nikolai at Lenin&#8217;s Tomb <a href="http://leninology.blogspot.com/2004_03_01_leninology_archive.html#107926582269135924" target="_blank">thinks</a> that I&#8217;m quoting Brad DeLong.  I&#8217;m not, and I never meant to attribute the Brad DeLong Doctrine of Civility to anything he actually said.  I named it after DeLong because I associate the view with him, and because I have a rather higher opinion of DeLong than Nikolai.</p>
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